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Time to re power
Backriverexpress	#1  Posted on 07/31/15 - 4:12 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Ok the new to me whaler came with a 1976 Evinrude 70 It is not doing so well towing my large tow behind toys for the kids I have a week long camp in northern Maine coming up right on the lake What is the best power for this I have seen many Etec 90 hp motors I have been looking at the 90 merc but it seems huge !!! What else ??? Honda Suzuki ??? Any help is great !!! Also can somebody direct me at the three hole mounting thread As always thank you ! 1970 Katama
Joe Kriz	#2  Posted on 07/31/15 - 4:41 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	My choices would be: 90hp = E-Tec, 320 pounds 70hp = Yamaha, 257 pounds http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=5 Drilling new lower holes for new motors: http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=82
whalerman	#3  Posted on 07/31/15 - 4:49 PM
Member Posts: 540 Comments: 5 Joined: 06/26/07	Have you done a compression/leak down test yet? What rpms are you seeing not towing the kids and then towing the kids/toys. All you may need to do is change props for towing the kids n toys around. More blade area and less pitch for the prop. Bit cheaper than a re-power, unless you already have the wife's ohkee-dohkee. : ) THOM : 1999 Outrage 18, 2012 E-TEC 150, 2012 EZ Loader trailer
Jay Fitz	#4  Posted on 07/31/15 - 4:52 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 343 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/08/10	The Yamaha F70 seems like a great motor for that hull...
Backriverexpress	#5  Posted on 07/31/15 - 5:28 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Hey thanks everyone , oh the 1976 is leaking around the head leaking fuel , Bad fuel pump .... It's time ;) I will look over the suggestions .... Thank you (changed abbreviated year to full 4 digit year for clarification) Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/31/15 - 6:58 PM 1970 Katama
Phil T	#6  Posted on 07/31/15 - 6:38 PM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	Now a days it's about service and price. All the manufacturer's make great 70's and 90's. Personally I think I like the E-TEC since it is low weight and has the self-winterizing feature. If you get a good window in March, you can splash then re-winterize. I had a Yamaha F115 and it was super reliable, quiet, efficient. Consider a F90. I think Portland Yacht (Evinrude dealer) is moving soon so they may distracted. Gowen is good for Honda. Port Harbor sells both Yamaha and Mercury. I got decent Yamaha parts service at Port Harbor in SoPo. until they restaffed. Shop hard and work the dealer's against each other. There is a large cushion for them to use. Think new car dealer. Get detailed estimates in writing.
Backriverexpress	#7  Posted on 07/31/15 - 7:32 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Ok thanks so that leads to my next question .... What does one pay for an Etec 90 installed ( controls, oil , running ) installed 1970 Katama
Backriverexpress	#8  Posted on 07/31/15 - 7:33 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	I know the try to rope you in with one price that is JUST the engine Then they add all the goodies 1970 Katama
Finnegan	#9  Posted on 07/31/15 - 10:25 PM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Since you need power and torque for pulling large water toys, etc, you will not be happy with another 70. You need more cubes of displacement. Seriously look at the American made Merc 90 4-stroke you mentioned. It is the lightest weight of all 90 4-strokes, and only a battery weight (39#) more than the small cube E-tec 90. All of the 4-strokes have more desiplacement, and 4 cylinders instead of the E-tec's 3 cylinders. Check out the 2.1 liter displacement of the Mercury compared to what the E-tec has, or even the other 4-strokes. This is where the pulling power and torque come in. Mercury says the engine also accelerates faster than the 2-strokes, including their own Optimax engines, and which is why they stopped making the Optimax 90. It is a very powerful 90 from what I have been reading. Since Whaler puts this engine on the new 170 Montauks, you can see their performance report on this rig on Whaler.com. Pricing should be about $7300 for the engine, then add $500 for control, cables and ignition harness. Any additional would be labor and/or profit and sales tax. I'd guess you'll be looking at $8800 or so with tax out the door.
Backriverexpress	#10  Posted on 08/01/15 - 5:23 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Ok if using the three hole up mounting method do I need to go to a 25 inch shaft or still use the 20 ??? 1970 Katama
Backriverexpress	#11  Posted on 08/01/15 - 9:23 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	OK here is where I am at, I have a dealer holding a 20 inch shaft 2015 Etec 90 HO for me ...... After some reading I decided to go HO for the hole shot when pulling my three kids on there huge tow behind toys..... And If I am to ever get my beer belly up out of the water on a ski :) So what I need from you all is the ok.... the 20 inch shaft is the right choice when doing the two or three hole up mounting.... Right???? 1970 Katama
Backriverexpress	#12  Posted on 08/01/15 - 9:25 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Also when you look at this post http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...ser_id=291 He says Two holes up and he hits the splash well....? will this work with the 90 HO ETEC??? Also Joe.... does this diagram come with the engine for mounting ??? http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=82 Edited by Phil T on 08/01/15 - 10:15 AM 1970 Katama
Phil T	#13  Posted on 08/01/15 - 10:30 AM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	Take a deep cleansing breath.... You don't need a 90 HO to pull a skier or tuber. The dealer is trying to move inventory. What is key is the correct/appropriate prop for the activity on a 70 or 90. The older motors did not use a standard bolt pattern and dealers did not pay much attention to mounting the motor and performance. In todays world we know you want the motor height to be such that it has the least amount of lower unit in the water to perform. This can be translated roughly as: anti-cavitation plate being 1 1/2-2 inches ABOVE the keel. This is 2-3 holes up. In addition, some props like running deep while others shallow. ETEC's perform best mounted 3-4 holes up. Getting back to motor: Take time to decide brand/model. Get 2 written estimates from dealers that break out prices as follows: Engine: $ X Prop: (Make model size and pitch) $ X Gauges (review manufacturer site to decide what you want) Wiring harnesses Binnacle: Labor to remove old Labor to install new Test and complete warranty fee Sales Tax
Backriverexpress	#14  Posted on 08/01/15 - 10:36 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Phil i actually like the HO and have got a nice price on it, compared to what I was quoted in Portland for a regular 90..... :) so I have the two estimates and a third on its way.... :) I am going with Etec... I have owned them before. So in your opinion is the 20 inch shaft correct ? Also ... No unrigging cost as I will take care of that... :) I like the HO for its power... the regular 90 is the highest rating for its 3 cylinder engine (high Strung) the 90 HO is a detuned 115.... seems like more longevity on that engine...? Edited by Backriverexpress on 08/01/15 - 10:43 AM 1970 Katama
mtown	#15  Posted on 08/01/15 - 10:49 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 613 Comments: 5 Joined: 07/06/08	I was about to recommend the F70 because 70 lbs. difference on the transom is signifigent in my opinion. Raising to the third hole should not change the shaft length, that is the point of raising it [to get less drag]. I have recently posted about my 16' boats. One has 90 one has 70HP, both Yamaha 2-strokes. To me the 90 is bordering on too fast, especially if you have children that are growing into an age where they will be running the boat. I am finally going to re-splash the one with the 70 HP tomorrow. It will be the first time since raising it to the third hole up. I have pulled a lot of tubes and skier over the years with no problem using 70HP. If you look close up at crbenny's install it appears to be 3 holes up. He mentioned "all the way up" which would be 4 holes up. Edited by mtown on 08/01/15 - 11:04 AM
Backriverexpress	#16  Posted on 08/01/15 - 11:36 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Mtown he states "two holes" ??? 1970 Katama
Joe Kriz	#17  Posted on 08/01/15 - 11:52 AM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Backriverexpress wrote: Also Joe.... does this diagram come with the engine for mounting ??? http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=82 No it does Not. You need to tell your installer to drill the "Green" holes and fill the old lower holes. Print out the diagram and take it with you. Then you can mount any new motor either 2 holes up or 3 holes up without ever having to drill any other holes.
Backriverexpress	#18  Posted on 08/01/15 - 12:37 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 185 Comments: 1 Joined: 09/04/06	Perfect !! Thanks Joe.... 1970 Katama
Joe Kriz	#19  Posted on 08/01/15 - 12:40 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Finnegan wrote: Seriously look at the American made Merc 90 4-stroke you mentioned. It is the lightest weight of all 90 4-strokes, Actually the Suzuki is the lightest of all the 90 4-strokes made today. Suzuki DF90 = 341 pounds The Mercury 90 = 359 pounds. It is what it is, and facts are facts.
Jay Fitz	#20  Posted on 08/01/15 - 2:26 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 343 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/08/10	Joe, is that motor weight chart current for the most recent model year? The year of the motors isn't shown anywhere.