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The bow light on my 1973 21 Outrage is very different from any bow light that I have seen. I was wondering if anyone might know if its original or if its a replacement. There is a picture of the Bow Light at the bottom of my personal page. Any response would be appreciated.

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See these lights:
http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...oto_id=838

There were a couple strange ones during some years but I have never seen one like yours.
Someone changed that out at one time.

Your bow chock, spacer and bollads look correct though:
http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...hoto_id=15

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The top portion of that light must have been replaced. I have not seen one like that myself.

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Yours is the third 1973 Outrage I have seen with that light. I think it's original. I have seen that light on both 19 and 21-footers.

For example: http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/boa/4513714801.html

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Unfortunately that doesn't make it original.
It could be a replacement that several, or many, people put on.
None of the catalogs show anything like that.
We need more evidence.

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Hence the "I think" part. It would also be a very unusual coincidence that only owners of 1973 model year Outrages chose to put the same generic Perko on their boat.

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No idea why but not really.
It might be the only replacement part that fit from Perko therefore many people might put it on.

Here is another 1973 with the light that is shown in the catalogs.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...r_id=22665

I have seen many Outrages with replacement side navigation lights that were not Wilcox.
Many of the replacements people put on were Perko.
It is also possible that Whaler ran out of the other lights and substituted these lights to get their boats out the door.
We have seen that before on Hinges and Latches, etc.

More investigation is needed before "I think" anything is original.

It would be nice to hear from someone who bought a model like this brand new and stated that this was an original light that came on his boat.
Unfortunately there aren't too many original owners left of these models.

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Digging through more personal page photos, I found this.
A 1973 Outrage 19' with that light. Not sure when it was made but most likely is 1972 as it is stencil #0001
http://www.whalercentral.com/images/p...er%204.JPG

Maybe early 1973 year models had this light and later in 1973 they changed?
Radlax boat was made in 11/72

I found no evidence of 1972 year models having this light however.
Anyone?

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I has a 1973 Outrage down in Naples Fla in mid 80's
Had that exact same light on it...
It's original..

(EDIT: please follow guideline #1 on the front page and use the full 4 digit year)

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I've also got a 1972 Rib Side 21 I'm restoring, have a new bow light for it, but it came with the original and it's the same top portion....
And I know it's original..


(EDIT: please follow guideline #1 on the front page and use the full 4 digit year)

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And how do you know that?
You don't tell us if you bought the boat new or not.

Any photos of the original boat as you presumably purchased it?

This goes for everyone.
If you did not purchase the boat brand new, then you really have no idea what is original on the boat or not.
I have even seen new Whaler owners have the dealer change some parts before they took delivery.
Again, may not be original to Whaler.
Also, for those of you that don't put your HIN or Stencil numbers in your boat info, we can't really verify what year of Whaler you have other then you posting that you have some kind of Whaler.
Doesn't really help us narrow down anything without any numbers.
Thanks anyway.

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Radlax23, that light on your 21 is OEM. They were much rarer that the standard chromed bronze domed model. I had the same light minus the chock on my 1975 13 sport. I do not have access to my old catalog files right now to post an image, but I think it can be found on page 18 of the 1974 catalog. I seem to remember Tom W Clark knowing the backstory on these odd looking bow light variants.

Here are images of my 1975 13 Sport
From when I hauled home from the original owners home:
hauled home
Cleaned up:
Finished

There was no manufacture information on the light when I disassembled it unfortunately. Just what looked to be a model number of 2700. It also did not feel like it had the weight of being a cast bronze part, more like it was cast zinc or another light weight metal. Have you taken yours apart and have you found any manufacture info on it?

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Good memory Jeff.

Page 18 of the 1974 catalog does show one photo of it on a Revenge 19'.
No other mention of it anywhere else in the 1974 catalog.
No mention of it in any of the parts sections or any other photos of it in the parts section.
Maybe it was something they temporarily used but never listed as an available part.

The 1973 catalog shows on the accessories page the other light we all know.
I have attached a photo below from the 1973 catalog.

Jeff,
Also I can't get those links to work as it wants me to sign into Picasa.
I do not have an account with them so I can't view your photos.

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Thanks everyone for the responses. I also did some research on my own. I contacted the man I bought the boat from, he's the original owner. He said that hes never taken anything off the boat nor has he added anything. He also said that he has only seen a few other whaler with the light. Hope this may support that the lights original. Also Jeff I have not taken it apart but when im near the boat again I will take it apart and look for any manufacturing info.

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Still, no photo of that strange light can be found or listed in any catalogs

Below is another photo of the bow light we know in the 1975 catalog.

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Radlax,

It does look like it came on some boats during that time frame.
It certainly didn't come on all the boats in 1973 or 1974, etc., the other light was much more predominant.

Why? It appears none of us will ever know as it does not show up in any parts catalogs.
Only 1 photo of it can be identified as Jeff mentions above.
Maybe Whaler tried using this light on a few boats but changed their mind and switched back to what they were using, (even though your light did hold up all these years) and that's why they never listed it in any of the catalogs that any of us can find.

Attached is a photo and a breakdown of the Puck style light.
Photo Credit: tyno22

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Learn something new every day....

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OEM puck style light on my 1975 13 Sport

Boston Whaler Bow Light

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I also see it on page 10 of the 1974 Catalog on a Sakonnet for sure. The other possible pages are page 8 on the Currituck (overhead, the round puck is a give-away). Page 17 on the bow of the 21 Outrage that spreads across from page 16 (the side profile of the light and lens is too square to be a domed lamp variant). Page 21 on the bow of the 21 Revenge (in side profile if the chock had a domed lamp it, the back edge would not be showing in perspective behind the bow rail upright as the photo shows).

Also, on page 12 of the 1975 Catalog the 16 Montauk looks like it has the puck light as well (the flat up and down reflection indicates it is a flat round object not a domed object).

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Also, on page 13 of the 1976 catalog on the bow of the Sakonnet (that spreads over from page 12) the bow light is flat and not domed and the reflection indicates it to be a puck like shape. Finally on Page 16 of the 1976 catalog on the bow of the 19 Revenge Stern Drive there is a flat puck light in side profile.

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Many of those are questionable in my view.
There is another light that was also flat on top. (see attached photo below)

Here is one of the Puck style we all can see.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...to_id=1016

And here is another ODD light like the one we are discussing.
It was used for a brief period too. This is different from the Puck style above.
See attached photo. (I am looking for a better photo of this one)

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Questionable, not if you look at the reflection on the side of that flat box light vs. what is produced on rounded surface. The dark highlight on that box light is skinny and pointed at the top. The other dark reflections on the puck lights are broader in width and it has a much more uniform width top to bottom.

The other thing is the attached image above of the box light, box light's lens in side profile are much tall and more a square box shape. The puck lights in side profile have a much skinny and horizontal rectangle shape to them.

Having been schooled in design, illustration and visual communications and having worked for 15 year professionally photoshopping and retouching images it is clear to me what I see even in those lower resolution catalog images. I think there are more than just one single sighting of that light.

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Also, in many of those images I pointed to the light in question is on a chock. I can not think of any instance anyone has show are inferred there was a square flat box light (as shown in the image above) on a chock.

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That's good for you Jeff.

Not the rest of us.
I wouldn't bet the world was round just because I was looking at some reflection.
I don't guess here on this site.
I use factual information. Not guesses or reflections or if someone "Thinks" it is.

Good eye though and I don't disagree.
It just isn't concrete enough for me.

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The other light I show is just an example of the other light most of us know about.
Whether it has or doesn't have a bow chock is immaterial. The chock was a option for the other lights, not sure about this one.
It is another light that Whaler put on some of their hulls for a brief period.

Neither of these 2 lights can be found in a Whaler Parts catalog that I have ever seen.
We will probably never know why Whaler used these temporarily and on some hulls and others they used the standard light.
Could be many reasons.
Price, availability at the time, etc..

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Now that the "puck" light issue is settled, and having looked at Joe's excellent bow light photo page:

http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...oto_id=838

I can add some more detailed clarification to those descriptions. Regarding the stamped metal light shown as used 1982-1986, I can definitively say that this light was used earlier than 1982, and as early as 1979. My all original 1979 Montauk has that light on it. I bought the boat from the original owner, and I mentioned that the boat did not have the heavy cast SS bow light fitting. He told me the stamped SS one was original. Afterall, this boat only had 250 hours of total use since new, and had been stored for over 20 years unused. Nothing had ever been replaced or updated on the boat.

I don't have a close-up detailed photo, but if you do the two step enlargement of this photo, you can see it. It's actually a good light, with better and brighter illumination properties than the cast SS fixtures.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lgolt...2347672606

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Thanks Larry and Jeff,

I would like to add the other 2 lights on that page.
1. The Puck style (with and without the optional chock)
2. The other one whatever it is called. (without the chock and looks like it would not even fit on a chock)

One other thing we would like to know for a fact. From anyone.
What bulb do these 2 oddball light fixtures use?

Also note:
Tom Clark sent us the photo of the standard lights. (I added a couple of notations)

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Joe, I have the second light you are talking about, with a picture on my Personal Page. I can take better pictures of it & check out the bulb if you want.

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Absolutely. Please do give us the bulb number and maybe a photo of it.

We would like to have a few people with this light to do the same so we can verify they all have the same bulb.

That is a good photo of that other light which is different then the puck style.
I attached a photo below for future reference here.
Photo Credit: MG56

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Joe, next time I am near my boat I will take pictures of my puck styled light. Also I will try to disassemble it and see if I can locate any information on it. Like as you said the bulb it used or any manufacturer information.

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Reviving an old thread, I have the same puck light on the 1973 Outrage 21 I just bought this winter. Needs new chrome but for the moment I’d just like to replace the lenses, which I think would entail replacing the whole top piece. Under the cap, which integrates the lenses, you have to lift out the bulb assembly and you can undo four screws in the base plate of the light. Can I retrofit the “correct” (depends how you define that) dome light, or has anyone found a source for a new puck?