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Calling all members with early 1976 16/17 hulls
Joe Kriz
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Posted on 06/01/10 - 12:50 PM
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As most of you know, I have been collecting boat information on the Montauk models for many years now.
For those of you that don't know, check the article here.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=17

Through all this info, we are getting close to narrowing down what the exact hull number was when Whaler changed from the pre-smirked (Smirkless) hull to the newer Smirked hull of 1976 models. Boston Whaler did not keep track of this particular information.

In a discussion with Chuck Bennett at Boston Whaler, the first Smirked hulls were introduced in October of 1975 as 1976 models.
This would mean that some early 16/17 1976 models were still Smirkless. This also means that 1976 models could either be Smirkless or Smirked depending on when they were manufactured.

We now have concrete evidence that narrows down this change to within 63 hull numbers at this time.
Here is the info.
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3B0330 - Smirkless (last Smirkless on the list)
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...r_id=17372

63 other boats fit in here (are these Smirkless or Smirked?)

3B0394 -Smirked (first Smirk on our list)
No photos as yet but BillB said he would send us some.
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We have a couple of other members that I haven't heard back from yet to determine what they actually have.

I am waiting to hear from ChelseaFish who has Stencil number 3B0352
I can't tell from her personal page if her Montauk is Smirkless or Smirked and I am not going to guess.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...r_id=13524

I am aslo waiting to hear back from Paulsv on his Stencil number. He has a Smirked 1976 hull but not sure where it fits.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...er_id=6410

So, do any of you have a 1976 16/17 hull with a Stencil number between 3B0330 and 3B0394 ?????
It doesn't matter what model you have, this has to do with just the 16/17 hull and the Stencil number of that 16/17 hull.

Please let us know so we can try to narrow this down further.

 
Jeff
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Joe,

My 1976 Newport has a stencil of 3B0887 and a HIN of BWC853676H

The Stencil on Paulsv's boat is completely hidden by a transom plate. I almost bought the boat before he did. I just could not agree on a price with the broker. Here is a link to images of the boat to show what I am talking about.
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/...20Montauk/


1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
 
Joe Kriz
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Thanks Jeff.

Yes, you have the smirked hull and so does Paul looking at his personal page and your links.

I was hoping Paul knew his Stencil number either from records or by contacting Boston Whaler. It should be easy enough to find out his stencil number by providing Boston Whaler with the HIN number.

As you can see from the list above, 3B0330 is the last Smirkless hull we have on our list.
3B0394 is the first Smirked hull we have on our list.
That leaves 63 boats in between.

ChelseaFish's Montauk has a number of 3B0352 which is in between the boats we have listed but we aren't sure which hull she has.
I have not been able to contact her.
I was also hoping to hear from Paul or anyone else that has a Stencil number in between the above numbers so we can fill in the gaps.

A gap of 63 hulls isn't much in the big scheme and we are narrowing it down.

 
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ChelseaFish's Montauk with a Stenciled number of 3B0352 is a non-smirked hull.

I know it is hard to see, and it is amazing that two good photos like that could just about perfectly avoid showing the tell-tales of which it is, but I can see the inside line of the gunwale at the bow and it curves around like the rub rail indicating it does not have the triangular step pads that the smirked 16-7" hulls had.

 
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I agree Tom.

Still I don't want to sorta, kinda, guess... Maybe a curved camera shot?
A photo of the bow would really be evidence.
For now, I am going with really hard facts although I agree with you.

pre-smirk, non-smirk, Smirkless, all amount to the same thing.
If we were to consider hers to be Smirkless, then she would have the last one we have listed as Smirkless.
3B0352 Smirkless to 3B0394 Smirked would narrow it down to 41 hulls.

We would definitely be getting closer.
I don't know how close we will ever get but it will be interesting to find out in the future.

Thanks for your insight.

I did add her to the list as the last Smirkless with a ? ..... as the boat is most likely Smikrless.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=17


Edited by Joe Kriz on 06/01/10 - 3:26 PM
 
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Too bad we can't get ahold of ChelseaFish. A shot from *any* other angle would probably tell us for sure.

A shot of the bow would show the smirk...or not.

A shot of the interior would show the bow locker, or the boxy "steps" on the old hulls or the triangular pads on the newer hulls.

 
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She moved and has a different email address than what she has in her profile.
I have sent her a couple of PM's but she hasn't visited the site since I sent them to her.

For everyone, this is why it is important to have your current email address in your profile. If we want to get a hold of you for some reason, your email address needs to be current. This is also mandatory in our "Code of Conduct" and when registering to become a new member.

If you changed your email address but haven't updated it in your user profile, please do so for future use.
Thanks

 
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Joe-

Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I live in Illinois and keep the boat in Michigan, and just got it out of storage. I couldn't get the stencil number because it is covered by a transom plate. I hate to have to unbolt it, if there is another way of getting the stencil number from the HIN. That motor is kinda heavy.....

I added a picture of the HIN on my personal page. Kinda hard to make out, but it looks like BWCB 6128 M 76D.

Paul

 
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Joe-

I emailed BW's customer service to ask if they could get me a stencil number from the HIN.

Paul

 
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Thanks Paul.

I thought you had the 76D model which was made in November of 1975 as a 1976 model.

I have added you to the listed but can't be exactly positive where you fit until we get the Stencil number. You can see that some of the HIN numbers aren't in consecutive order as compared to the Stencil numbers which take precedence in order.

Your HIN is definitely readable in your photo.
BWCB6128M76D

Looking forward to finding out your Stencil number.

 
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Well, that was a quick response from BW, and a lot easier than un-bolting the motor. Here is their response:

"The serial number assigned to this boat was 3B0364. This boat was built in our old Rockland, MA factory as a 17' Montauk and was originally shipped out to a Gregory Boat in Detroit, MI on 11/12/75 (as a 1976 model)."

It looks like that reduces the gap to 34, at the most, or possibly to 14, if 3B0352 is a Smirkless.

 
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Thanks for the info Paul.

Yes, that narrows it down to 11 hulls between the Stencil numbers we have
3B0352 = Last Smirkless hull (for now this is ChelseaFish)
3B0364 = First Smirked hull (for now this is Paulsv)

Does anyone have a Stencil number between those above?
The numbers below are the ones we are looking for.

3B0353
3B0354
3B0355
3B0356
3B0357
3B0358
3B0359
3B0360
3B0361
3B0362
3B0363

Help us fill in the gaps and try to narrow it down to the exact Stencil number that changed from the pre-Smirked hull (Smirkless) to the newer Smirked hull.

 
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Should we be looking for models other than Montauks? Could some of the intervening numbers be smirkless Sakonnets, for example?

 
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Any 16/17 hull that has those eleven 3B Stencil numbers.

Some models ended in the 1975 model year so they won't have those numbers.
The Sakonnet or Newport models might have one of those numbers but not positive.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...owstart=20

Some new 1976 17' Sport models may have those numbers.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=46

Here is one 1976 Sport 17' with a 3B0417 stencil number and was made in October of 1975 as a 1976 model. HIN BWCB6104M76C and has the newer Smirked Hull.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...r_id=11876


 
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While I realize Chuck's time is valuable, but shouldn't he be able to take all those Stencils and be able to track down what models there were sold as? Also where they were sold to? Whether they were smirked or not is another story yes, I know, but the models would be a start.


Edited by Jeff on 06/02/10 - 5:29 PM
1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
 
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They were most likely sold as Montauks by looking at the other models Stencil numbers.

I have asked Chuck many questions and they are still ongoing.
He has been very helpful in our gathering of information.

The 1976 Sport 17' above has the stencil of 3B0417 but has a much earlier HIN of 76C. C= October of 1975...
This new Sport 17' model was actually made before some of the Montauks above but has a later Stencil and an earlier HIN... I asked Chuck about this also.
It's just the way it was back then was his reply. Hulls came out of the mold with a Stencil number and sat in the lot until they were outfitted, finished, and then given an HIN number.

If we narrow this down to less than these 11 hulls, it will almost be like finding a pre-hestoric mummy with an iPhone in his hand... Smile

I have been gathering the Montauk list and information for about 7 years. Prior to this post, the list showed us that the 3A hulls were Smirkless and the 3B hulls were the new Smirked models. That is until Lionheart and ChelseaFish listed their boats. Lionheart is actually the boat that started prompted me to start this thread and more investigation.

Both of these boats are Smirkless and have the 3B stencil number.
From all the models that I have been taking information on, there has always been transition with parts and optional equipment. As an example, some 1986 Outrage and Montauk models still had the older 1983-1985 consoles in them. Whaler used up all the consoles they had even in the newer 1986 model which theoretically should have had the newer 1986 console. It's just the way it is.

Now we see they apparently had a few of the older Smirkless hulls lying around in the lot and sent them out the door as 1976 models which in theory should have been the newer Smirked hulls. So, another transition.
This is different than automobiles. You won't see a 1966 Porsche that has a 1965 body.

So, we are still interested in the 11 hulls listed above with those Stencil numbers.
Anyone?

 
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Hello Joe,
I,m hoping you can help me. A while back i procured a whaler hull. A montauk to be precise. i'm having trouble finding the hull numbers. Unfortunatly the hull's been painted several times. The gentleman who gave me the hull had lost the title. He thinks it might be around 1968. Im hoping that you might have some ideas that i could use to identify the hull. Thats the first step. The next problem is to try and register it with out a title. I thank you for any info.


Thanks again,
Shawn Barry

 
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Chelseafish has a smirkless hull, you can tell that the front deck drops off immediatly after the second front rail leg

 
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Shawn Berry,
Not sure how titling a salvage boat works in Ma. but in Ga. we have to have the Dept. of Natural Resources (aka game warden) come inspect the boat and any paperwork that might be available. They will then issue the paperwork to obtain registration numbers. Get a letter, notorized is best, from the person who gave it to you and then call your local office or whichever govt. agency is responsible for their licensing etc. for information.

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So we don't loose track...
We are looking for anyone with these Stencil Numbers...

3B0353
3B0354
3B0355
3B0356
3B0357
3B0358
3B0359
3B0360
3B0361
3B0362
3B0363

 
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