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"My Girl's" Refit
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 08/28/09 - 4:59 AM
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I have been paying attention Serge and I believe others have as well - The project album showing your updates have been inspiring. I must say I do miss the embedded images in a thread but I understand Joe's position. There is a way to imbed the album images in the thread to make it more interesting but its a little difficult and time consuming. Keep up the great work!
Scott
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 08/28/09 - 8:10 AM
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Same here Serge, I've been following this thread as well as your project album. Enjoy reading your comments there on the process and seeing the boat progress in the pictures.
Was curious, when you did the surgery on the rear and extracted the foam to see how wet it was, when you reconstructed, what kind of foam did you use and how did you shape it so well to get it to look original?
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 08/28/09 - 9:45 PM
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It is truly good to see that our passion for the Whaler hulls is still alive and well, guys.
I am still inclined to firmly believe that;
Most of us could be having a grand time talking about our favorite subjects, while refreshments are being served.
"Thank God for all the good things", as House would say.
The fact that we have lost the photo expression on our threads
was well..seen as loosing the photos but keeping the text in the TIME magazine.
The thing is;
We don't pay the bills for the site so.. there it is.
To go to the Project page but reading it in the Thread may seem a bit more complicated;
But that is the vehicle being offered and the service is free..
I am wondering at times if the refits will be sailing in the same waters one day.
I any event;
The day was long and grueling.
Sanding, filling, sanding in an endless succession until my eyes were pleased with the shapes of the surfaces.
My weapons of choice today were;
A DA 6" sander with 80 grit, 8by11 sandpaper sheets @ 100 grit and sponge sanding blocks in medium grit.
After seven straight hours of this TLC work the complete hull areas will be assessed as ready for resurfacing.
The photos to my Project page will be giving you a visual.
One important point to mention will be that at the very beginning of my thread;
I had removed all through hull brass drains due to the fact that my aft starboard unit had been proven to have disintegrating O Rings.
In order to affirm a seal from water,I did fiber-glassed the top side of the structure but will be reclaiming the opening when time to install fresh drains comes.
Dave,
The foam was sliced as an angel cake would have been;
And was found to be water stained BUT dry;
The carefully cut pieces were repositioned in the same order and glued before resealing the opening.
The two part foam compounds can be purchased and poured for refilling an area that has been vacated of it's wet foam.
Remember that the liquid will expand to 25 times it's liquid volume.
I am getting some extra gel delivered tomorrow afternoon.
I will keep you posted.
Edited by ritzyrags on 08/28/09 - 10:18 PM
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 08/29/09 - 4:53 AM
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Dont know if this will help but my guy is spraying a black sandable auto primer lightly before sanding - it really helps show the imperfections and keeps you from removing too much gel. Just a thought.
Scott
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 08/29/09 - 8:47 PM
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Yes Scott;
I am familiar with this procedure.
A black lacquer can be thinly applied to show any and all imperfections within the surfaces.
That is why the grey primer will be so invaluable when the surfaces have been weathered.
Today was a bit trying.
My compressor's motor kept acting up by not starting up when pressure went below the settings.
I had to truly scramble to get it to recharge the pressure enough times to spray most of my sixteen ounces of gel before the liquid would set.
I did managed to spray about fifteen out of the total.
The gun was disassembled and cleaned.
The components of the compressor were disassembled and I trouble shooted the problem to be faulty windings upon being hot.
I will be obtaining a replacement tomorrow.
Now I did managed to spray most of the hull before this mishap.
What do you guys think of the color?
I will be taking honest opinions on this one.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 08/29/09 - 9:01 PM
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I really like the Desert Tan, excellent choice Serge!
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 08/30/09 - 5:36 AM
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I love the tan - Thats why I picked it for mine as well.
Scott
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 08/31/09 - 11:56 AM
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It is unanimous.
There is no way of denying that yesterday was a most frustrating day.
Took the compressor back to the C Tire store that it came from and tried to get them to honor the one year warranty.
I did get to jump through hoops and finally was told to phone the company 1-880 number to lodge my claim.
I did get to press a number of options but never got to talk to anyone alive.
It was suggested to leave a message ...
Anyway;
Bought a new compressor and got to lay a very nice full coat yesterday.
Saw the very odd dimple and will remedy to that with my glazing filler today.
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 09/01/09 - 8:47 PM
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Sept 1st.
The hull had a full coat yesterday and today saw another coat being applied.
After having worked for my second year on this specific project;
I will have fully understood as to why boat repair businesses will charge between 80 and 130 dollars per hours for this kind of work.
I must say that the surfaces are looking more and more as factory newness.
The question remains for me;
With all the hours and materials being put into this refit;
How much would a hull like this one would be worth presently as face value???
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 09/02/09 - 4:24 AM
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Unfortunately Serge I have to come to the conclusion that these hulls will never be worth (monetarily speaking) what we put into them. However having a new 70's 19 Outrage (so to speak) to me is priceless.
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 09/02/09 - 10:28 PM
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Three last coats put on today.
The project looks right on schedule.
Last touch ups and quality control will be next.
There is really no end to such works when you are doing all the phases personally.
My point being made about value was;
As far as bare hull are concerned;
Motor and trailer will be a part of the final value;
BUT the hull itself has got to be something special to some of us here.
Problem could be that there is far too many boats for sale and that the market is loaded with great deals.
Hence the true value of seventies Whalers may be kind of lowballed.
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 4:10 AM
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The latest photos look great Serge. Now the fun begins.... Wet sanding and polishing...
Scott
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 9:20 AM
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Thanks for the appreciative words.
What was your recepy for sanding yours?
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 9:41 AM
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We are using 1200 wet..... then right to a buffer with 3m super duty compound - then finnesse it...
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 09/03/09 - 8:43 PM
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Yes;
The Spectrum is truly a refined product.
And with the recepy that I have used will have proven to give a true superior finish.
On the other hand I have used a harder type of gel for the hull and have seen a bit of orange peeling finish to the surfaces today.
I have given a last "beauty" coat today and have sternly given myself an eight out of ten.
The ten being brand new from factory, I will be optimistic in seeing the shine come after a bit of sanding.
Oh yea!
Did I mention that you were all invited to a sanding party being given by yours truly shortly and including barbecued wings and refreshments???
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| romd133 |
Posted on 09/04/09 - 4:14 AM
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great job Serge on your project i also had one going last winter i really enjoyed it even with the frushtrations that went along with the guys that promised things they couldnt keep..when im out crusing around all that stuff you just forget about here is a few pics of my project if interested http://s536.photobucket.com/albums/ff326/romd133/whaler%20project/
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Posted on 09/04/09 - 8:13 AM
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The boat looks great with the new finish.
looking at your pictures I did notice a bit of a safety issue. The blocks you have under her should be turned over for strength. It was clear you took time to center the block but turned over the walls of the block bear all the weight. If you get just a tad off center the way you have the blocks they will pop. Just thought I would throw that out for folks to think about.
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 09/04/09 - 9:01 PM
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That is a sweet and tidy refit Romdt.
I can appreciate of all the efforts that you invested in making your Outrage what it is today.
And yes;some of the guys will promise to help with services sometimes but you must understand that sometimes there may be problems with delivering.I would not give it a second thought.
It is good to see that you are looking at our safety in the materials and propping of this refit.
I actually thought of positioning the cinder blocks on the flat but did assess that this 1500 lbs hull's bow would have ample support with the arches supporting the front bow area.
I carefully assessed the structures to be sound.
The Roman aqueducts and the great cathedral cupolas are the everlasting and living proof of adequate support and to never underestimate the holding strength of the arch.
Having dealt with a heavier hull, I would have used large wooden round sections.
Thanks for your concern.
Well;
The gel has dried nicely and will keep on shrinking for a few days.
The areas being supported will be soon attended to and some sanding will be done.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/05/09 - 7:53 AM
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How many coats total of gel do you have on there now Serge?
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 09/06/09 - 11:48 AM
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With my gel preparation;
Seven coats were applied..And the surfaces have pretty well lost it's typical smell by now.
The job looks great.
I will today see if I can move my supports and attend to the spots that were underneath.
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